S2 EP4: Allan Pease

Internationally renowned as Mr Body Language, Allan Pease can tell more about you from one conversation than you ever thought possible. But here, he shares the roller coaster ride of massive successes and incredible lows including financial strife and two cancer diagnosis that have challenged him and wife Barbara.

Internationally renowned as Mr Body Language, Allan Pease can tell more about you from one conversation than you ever thought possible. But here, he shares the roller coaster ride of massive successes and incredible lows including financial strife and two cancer diagnosis that have challenged him and wife Barbara. With their latest book The Answer, they have shared the blueprint for other people to overcome any adversity and achieve great success in all areas of their lives. He shares many invaluable insights during his interview with Roxanne McCarty-O’Kane.

You can watch the video on the link above, or read below for the full transcript.

Roxanne – Hello everyone, and thank you again for joining us for another edition of The Phoenix Phenomenon. This is where we interview high profile Australians and share some of their really incredible challenges that they have overcome in their lives and how they’ve gone on to great success and not only help others around Australia but also around the world. So today I have with me Mr Body Language, Allan Pease. Welcome, Allan.

Allan – Thank you, Roxanne, nice to see you.

Roxanne – Thank you for your time! So there is quite a big honor roll that goes along with the name Allan Pease. He has been an international figure for a number of decades now. One of his first creations, Why Men Don’t Listen and Women Can’t Read Maps was created with his wife, business partner and co-author Barbara, who’s an amazing woman as well. Together they have written about, I think we’re up to about 18, isn’t it? Bestsellers.

Allan – Yeah, we’ve had 18 top tens, and 11 number ones consecutively.

Roxanne – 11, there we go, my statistics are old, I apologize for that! And in the vicinity of, probably even pushing higher than, 27 million books sold around the world in about a hundred countries is what I’ve seen. And they’ve really become phenomenons in the world of personal development and helping people to achieve their greatest dreams. So I believe there was also a BBC TV series in there somewhere, which attracted a hundred million viewers and they’ve presented seminars in more than 70 countries around the world and he can even testify to coaching Russian politicians in the Kremlin on how to tone down their aggressive body language! Which I imagine would be a whole interview in itself, Allan!

Allan – Well, yeah, you’re right. When you say those things I think back and this is my 50th year doing this. I’ve never really had a job, Roxy, I’ve done this all my life. From the time I was a kid, five years of age, I was obsessed with human behavior, why people do what they do, make the decisions they do, and my whole life has just been obsessed with that up until now and I’m pushing towards 70 and I’m still just as obsessed as when I was five years of age and all the books and the TV shows and the films are all related to that and I think the reason we’ve been so successful is that everybody wants to know, how do I become better at what I am? How can I become a better person? How can I get more out of life? How can I achieve goals? Which is what we all want to do, and that’s the whole area that Barbara and I have been chasing down and been obsessed with and it’s an obsession, really it is. We wake up thinking about, we go to bed thinking about it.

Roxanne – Yeah, absolutely, and your latest book is The Answer: How to Take Charge of Your Life & Become the Person You Want to Be and that title just really encapsulates what you’ve just said, you know, your life’s pursuit and I was curious to find out if it really is the culmination of everything that yourself and Barbara have actually lived through yourselves.

Allan – Well, it pretty much is. It started originally going back over 20 years ago when I got a pretty bad diagnosis of cancer and statistically they thought I’d only probably last about three years and I decided, well, I’m going to write a book on how to survive cancer and I’ve always been involved in how to get things you want in life, how to set goals, how to manifest things and how to draw things to you, but this was the ultimate challenge. How do you beat something that’s running around inside your blood? And I thought, worst case scenario, it’ll be a good legacy to leave to somebody who’ll read it, and best case scenario, this could be something that’ll help people pursue not only beating cancer but doing anything because the basic principles are the same. So it started originally as a how to survive cancer book. And, anybody on this program who’s watching who’s had cancer or had a friend with cancer or family with cancer, you’ll know that the minute you get a diagnosis of cancer most of your friends stop talking to you, they don’t ring you anymore, that’s the first thing that happens. Because they’re too scared to say, how are you? In case the answer isn’t good Or they weren’t a friend to start with. So it’s a good way of separating out your friends. And anybody you meet who asks, how are you? You have to continually reiterate what’s going. So I wrote a six page letter about how I was and how it was going and what I planned to do and I sent it out to all my friends and that became the basis of what was a how to survive cancer book. And then we thought, well, why not make this how to survive an anything book. And then it became how do you achieve anything ’cause the basic principles are the same. And it finished up a book called The Answer which, cancer’s still mentioned in there but it’s just one thing in above just about everything else so it’s a how to get anything you want in life, how to achieve anything you want, because that’s pretty much what Barb and I did. And with cancer, it’s the same thing of, I’m now 20 years into a three year diagnosis and they’re still talking three years. They’ve been talking three years now for 21 years but that’s a statistical number. And I decided that, even if your chances of doing something or surviving something are only 3%, which was my case, well, if it’s 40%, that’s pretty good, but if it’s 3% you choose to be in that group. You choose the 3% or the 40% and most people, particularly with a medical diagnosis, they think, oh gee, the doctor said I’ve only got a 3% chance of survival, so they mentally plan to die. If you get enough experts telling you that you’re not going to do anything and you’ll die, well, that’s pretty much what’ll happen and everybody has known somebody in their family where enough doctors or experts have said, oh you won’t last the end of the year ’til Christmas, and inevitably they don’t, they match that goal. Whereas our process is, if someone says you can’t do something, can’t achieve something or won’t survive, you say, next! And you move those people out of your life and don’t tell them anymore and don’t listen to them. It doesn’t mean you don’t love them if they’re family members, just don’t tell them anything. And that you surround yourself with people who will support you in going wherever you want to go. People who believe that you can do what you want to do. ‘Cause if people don’t believe it, if you have enough of those around you, it will definitely impact on your ability to do anything.

Roxanne – Absolutely, and I can just picture you being told by the doctors the three year diagnosis that it would be akin to someone holding a red flag up to a bull and you’re just like, bugger that!

Allan – Well the funny way, I remember this day clearly, I’m laying in hospital and I’d had surgery. I didn’t want to have surgery or chemotherapy or radiation because I didn’t believe that, statistically, that was gonna make much difference. There’s a case for and against it and I didn’t believe it was going to help me. And then eventually I decided, well, that things were getting worse and worse with me as time went on after the first year after diagnosis. And so I thought, if I do western medicine, have surgery and whatever else goes with it, maybe this is like a form of insurance. So I decided to toss a coin. Heads I’d do it and tails I wouldn’t. And this is one of the things that we recommend, that if ever you’re faced with any situation, you can’t decide yes or no because everything’s equal, there are many good reasons for doing it and not doing it, just toss a coin, toss a coin, it’s very simple. Head you’ll do it, tails you won’t. Because if it’s even, it doesn’t matter which way it goes. So I tossed a coin, heads I’d do it, tails I wouldn’t, it came down heads. So I checked into the hospital and they cut me open and started throwing organs in the rubbish bin. I’m laying there on the bed, I had 14 tubes, I counted these things, pumping things in, taking things out, and this expert guy came in, he said, look unfortunately it’s not good news, the cancer’s already got out and it’s running around and once that happens, I had advanced prostate cancer, once that happens you’re in serious trouble. Statistically speaking. And he said, we’ve got another course of action we want you to take, Allan. I said, all right, what is it? Inevitably it involved more cutting, more cooking, and more poisoning. Which is the three answers generally to most cancer. And I said, no, I don’t really want to do that. I’ve had enough of that. I’ll take my chances on something else. He said, would you like me to give you your statistics? I said, sure, okay, what are the odds? He said, we expect that the next 12 to 18 months about 20% of men in your age and your condition with your cancer would succumb. Then in the next 12 to 18 months, we’d expect maybe 50% of that group would succumb. And the balance, in the last 3rd, maybe the 4th year, that’d be it. And I said to this guy, does anybody survive this? And he said, well, about 3% of men will survive and they’ll live to be in their 80s and get hit by a bus. And I said, okay, I’ll have the bus please. Give me the 3%.

Roxanne – Yeah.

Allan – And there was a pause, Roxy, one of these big pauses, and he looked at me and said, this is not about choosing your group, Allan. He said, this is a statistical average of a hundred men at your age, in your condition, with your cancer. This is what happened in the past, we expect this will happen in the future. I said, yeah, but if three out of a hundred are still living and 97 didn’t, those three must have done something, thought something, eaten something, there must have been something they did that 97% didn’t do. And he said, no, that’s not how it works. It’s a statistical number of a hundred men your age. In other words, he didn’t understand the question!

Roxanne – Yeah.

Allan – It made sense to me, Roxy, that three people must be doing something 97 didn’t do. So I made it my mission to track down those 3% and find out what they were doing, thinking, eating, saying, that made the difference. And that became the basis for my life regime and now 21 years on I’m still here talking about it.

Roxanne – Yeah, absolutely, and would you care to share your magical knowledge with our listeners as well? What are some of the key things that the 3% are doing?

Allan – Well, it’s not magical, when you think about it you’ll realize that you know a lot of these things that work. I became a cancer counselor not long after that. Because anybody who got cancer, particularly prostate cancer, oh, go and see Allan because he knows how to beat this! And so I finished up an unofficial cancer counselor for lots and lots of men and people with other cancers. And I can tell you pretty quickly, within three or four minutes of meeting someone who’s had a cancer diagnosis, how well they’re likely to do. By the way they talk and what their perception is. So those, for example, who say, oh, I’ve been to two experts and they said I’d only live 12 months and things are not looking good and I’ve been to see my lawyer and made my will, etc, normally they don’t do very well and a lot of those people are dead. In fact, there are people who were in far better condition than me who are well dead who should be alive. And I know lots of people like me who should be well dead, who aren’t! We’re running around doing interviews like this! The big difference between those two groups, the one thing that stood out to me, which is why we decided to write The Answer, was expectation, the people who expected to do well did well. Does that mean that everybody who expects to live is going to live? Well, no, statistically, that doesn’t happen. But that group who expected to do well do far better and live longer and are the people who are living a long time. Also means the people who were supposed to die in the next 12 months, does that mean they’ll all die? Well, most of them do, but statistically some of them will keep on living and often times they’re bags of misery, those people, they really are, they’re expecting to die and it doesn’t happen. It’s almost like they’re disappointed. So the number on thing is expectation, what you believe is gonna happen, and this was highlighted to me in an experiment I saw recently that happened in the Netherlands where patients were having major surgery and before they had the surgery they divided them into two groups. First group, a nurse would sit beside the patient and say, you’re going into surgery and when you come out there will be a drip in your arm which will be painkillers, usually morphine or pethidine or whatever they’re gonna give them, and that morphine will get rid of all the pain. You’ll still be aware you’re in pain but you won’t care, it’ll be quite a fun experience and most people enjoy it, and there’s a button here so if you do feel any pain just give the button a little squeeze, it’ll give you another pump and you’ll feel great! And it’ll get rid of the pain and you’ll feel much better. That was the first group. Second group would give them what’s called hidden injection, that is, when they wake up they had the morphine needle in their arm but it hadn’t been explained to them what was gonna happen, they hadn’t been sold the idea of morphine! And they measured over the next seven days the pain experience of both groups, and the people who had expected to do well reported 45% less pain and got over their pain quicker than those who had the hidden injection. Now, the reason this is significant is they’re both groups of people having the same types of surgery, major surgery, both getting the same drug, except one’s been sold the idea. This is gonna work for you, Roxy! You’re gonna do really well, you’re gonna love this. You press a button and all the pain will go away. The others didn’t know that was gonna happen. They knew they had a painkiller in their arm but they hadn’t been sold the idea. So the only difference was that the people who expected to do well did well and got out of bed earlier.

Roxanne – Yeah, yeah, it’s incredible, the power of the mind, isn’t it?

Allan – Well, when you think about it, it’s amazing and the only difference was one person believed this was gonna happen and the other person hadn’t heard about it so therefor didn’t believe necessarily and didn’t know, so they were in much more pain.

Roxanne – Absolutely.

Allan – And I think the thing about it that’s important to understand that, okay, my odds were maybe 3% they said but if your odds of doing or succeeding in anything is, let’s say, 50/50 or 70/30, like there’s only a 30% chance you’ll do well, they’re damn good odds! Someone’s gotta be in that 30%, this is the point. Somebody’s gotta be there. All you’ve got to do is make a decision that you will be in that group and then you seek out people who are in that group and get them to show you how they got into that group. Now, to finish answering your question because I didn’t answer the whole thing. People who survive long-term, first, they eat a clean diet, so I’m an organic vegetarian. And 70% of the food that we ate for most of my time of self-treatment, we grew it ourselves. I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I don’t suffer stress. If I get in a situation involving stress, which is always to do with people, I just remove myself from that situation. If I have to get up and walk out and leave which I did a couple of times, got out, into my car and drove off! People go, where the hell did Allan go? Well, you know, the medics were too tough for him! The stress suppresses your immune system which allows free radicals to take place. And so, one, you decide you’re going to live and this is the same for setting any goal for anything, I expected to live, in fact, I still today I’m sitting here drinking my organic perfectly brewed raspberry leaf tea in an animal bone cup, so there’s no way I’m putting anything bad into my body. I live an absolutely clean life, a pure life, and I expect to live. And that’s the basic traits of anybody who lives long-term and survives because western diets are very toxic and very poisonous. We’re now fatter than the human race has ever been. 8.6 billion in Australia alone was spent last year on obesity-related diseases because we’re being fed lots of stuff. Now, the bottom line is, you make a choice what you put in your mouth but the food you’re being offered there is toxic, it’s very hard now, you’ve gotta make a decision to live a clean life and find clean food which means you’ve gotta take an effort ’cause that’s what your grandparents did.

Roxanne – Absolutely, and I understand you’ve set your own expiry date, if I can use that terminology.

Allan – Well, it’s not really an expiry date. I’ll tell you how this happened. One of the things about setting goals, this is what The Answer is about, is most people think about, well, how would I do this? How would I have a house on the beach? How could I have my own business? How could I find the perfect partner for me? How could I avoid having a nasty disease like cancer or something else? Everybody starts with how. Now, what we tell you with The Answer is forget how. If you start with how, the way the brain works, it’ll come to a standstill, nothing happens. What you think about is what, what you’ll do, what you’ll have, what you’ll become. Forget about how because the minute you think about the what, the how appears ’cause your brain, the part of the brain called the RAS that we talk about in The Answer, searches the internet, if you like, and it comes up with the how. If you try to think about how yourself, you’ll stop. And that’s why most people who decide they want to do something, they don’t do it. Because they start with how, how will I do this? How will I become chief executive? How will I have my own business? How will I do whatever? And most people think about what they don’t want! This is an interesting twist of it. One of the things we teach in The Answer is only think about what you do want and will have and will become. Most people think about what they don’t want. Like, I don’t want my partner to run off with anybody. And suddenly they look around and see partners running off with everybody ’cause you’ll only see what it is you put in your brain. Your brain recognizes partners running off and all you see is divorce statistics. Turn the TV on and someone’s getting divorced and the neighbors are getting separated. So I don’t know how I’d get a house on the beach so as a result of that, they never get a house on the beach. If you decide, I’m gonna have a home on the beach! And you specify what that is. People say, how you gonna do that, Roxy? Well, I don’t know but this is what I’ll do. Yes, but how? How will you find the perfect partner in your life? I don’t know but that is what I’m gonna do. And this is how clear you have to be. This is a real leap of faith that I’m going to do this, have this, become this, end of story, full stop, no more discussion! And if anybody talks about it, I’m not telling that person any more. Because the minute you set clearly defined goals of what you want, everyone’s gonna stop you. You know who the worst offenders are? Family members!

Roxanne – Mmm.

Allan – If you go into the street and tell 10 strangers, I’ve decided to climb Mount Kilimanjaro, it’s on my list, and 10 strangers probably say, well, go for it! In fact, here’s a friend of mine who did it, ring them! And one in five people will offer to help you. They give you money or suggestion. You go and tell your family members, I’m gonna climb Mount Kilimanjaro. They’ll say, you’re gonna do what? At your age, you’ve got kids, mortgages, houses, cars, blah blah blah. And normally what they’re doing, they’re giving you their reasons why they couldn’t do it. ‘Cause unless someone’s actually done it, what it is, what you want to do, they really can’t give you anything of an opinion other than what they believe would happen to them and they give you their horror stories. So, you do not share any of what you wanna do with dream stealers and emotional vampires. They will suck you dry on this, Roxy.

Roxanne – Okay and it is hard, too, when it is family and friends, isn’t it? To turn the other cheek and go, you know what? I’m not listening because I believe 100% in what I’m doing. Because you do value the opinions of people that are in your close circle, don’t you?

Allan – Well, it doesn’t mean you don’t love them. It means that you’ve gotta deal with them and they’re the hardest because they’re probably living in the same house, maybe in the same bed, that’s the problem! And so what we did, we came up with a strategy of how do you tell family members and others to go to hell in such way that they can’t wait to get started. And there’s a technique to doing this. Number one is don’t tell anybody but, as you said, you’re living with people and you love them. I can think of one relative I love, the most negative relative said, oh why would you want to do that? Like, Mount Kilimanjaro? Allan, here, have another doughnut! That’s their approach. Well, if what somebody’s saying is true, if they’re saying why you shouldn’t do what you want to do is true, you agree with that! Now with family members, we normally don’t agree, we argue the point. Listen Uncle John, you’re in no position to be telling me what to do. What have you ever done with your life? And Dad, you’re giving me great advice. How well’s that worked out for you? This is what we tend to do, we argue the point with people we love. Don’t argue. If what they’re saying is true, you agree with it. So, Allan look, if you go to Mount Kilimanjaro you’ll be bitten by the tsetse fly, you’ll be attacked by a lion, you’ll be killed by native errors, you’ll get AIDS, you’ll get infectious diseases, the cobras are gonna get you, you’ll freeze to death, blah blah blah. Now, they’ve never climbed Mount Kilimanjaro, that’s why they’re saying these things. They think that’s not gonna happen to them. Now, the question is, are any of those things true? Well, yeah, they could be because there is tsetse fly, and you might get mugged and you might freeze and people do die on Mount Kilimanjaro, there’s no doubt about it, so basically what they’re saying is true. So if what they’re saying is true, agree with it. Say, Uncle John, you are dead right, pal. If I go climb that mount, I could wake up like an icicle. Waahh, I’d be frozen to death! And yeah, tsetse fly, that’s a pretty bad thing over there, you know, you’re dead right, so you agree with them. It shocks most people because all your life, Roxy, you’ve been arguing the point with Uncle John, suddenly you’re agreeing! He’s thinking, wow, she’s agreeing with me! So you agree with them then restate your position. Tsetse fly, yeah, you’re right, it might bite me but I’m gonna take protection for that, and I might freeze to death but I’m taking warm clothes, and you know what, I can’t wait to get started on Mount Kilimanjaro ’cause I know it’s gonna be fantastic. Come here, I’ll show you some brochures about it. Have a look at this! And then you redirect it. In other words, you’ve told them to go and drop dead. They don’t realize you’ve done that ’cause you’ve agreed. Now, the other point is, what if what they’re saying, you don’t agree with it. So, look, if you quit your job, Roxy, and go and do this network marketing business there’s no guarantee you’re gonna succeed, you don’t know that you’re gonna be able to do it successfully, blah blah blah blah blah. But let’s say you really want to do it. So what they’re saying, you don’t agree with it ’cause you reckon you’ve got this nailed, you’ve figured it out, you’ve thought about it, you want to do this business, whatever it might be. So if you don’t agree with them, you agree with their right to have an opinion on us.

Roxanne – Yeah yeah yeah.

Allan – Say, Uncle Jack, I can see where you’re coming from and, yeah, I can agree with the truth too, there’s no definite guarantees and then there’s no salary or wages, you’re dead right, Uncle Jack, and I respect you for thinking about, thanks for thinking of me but I reckon I’m gonna go so well. Let me show you how this works. So you agree with their right for an opinion then restate your position. Now, most people don’t do that. Most people say, Uncle Jack, you’ve had too much to drink, go and drop dead, you silly old cow! And you finish up with a bad relationship.

Roxanne – Yeah yeah oh goodness! It’s so true, and it’s such a knee-jerk reaction though, isn’t it?

Allan – ‘Cause as I said, if you told complete strangers on the street, I’m gonna climb Mount Kilimanjaro, it’s on my list, they’d go, wow, go for it!

Roxanne – Yeah, yeah, absolutely amazing. And even just giving yourself the space to manifest, giving your mind the space to think about the goals that you want and to really push the expectations you have for yourself. What advice would you give people to allow that to happen in their own lives?

Allan – Well, most people have lots of things going on in their head and if you picture your brain, it’s like a big ball of spaghetti, lots of strands and each one of those strands is a thought and they all just go around in your head all day and some of them last there for years, decades. We do weekends here at our place in Buderim where we get 30 people to come along and we teach them how to list. And we had a woman come along who was 73 years of age and her goal was to work out what she’s gonna do when she grows up, was her thought. Her husband was dead, her kids had moved away, and she was on her own, totally, and didn’t know what to do with her life. We got her to write a list, and this is a starting point, you write a list in handwriting, not on the computer, not on your phone, in handwriting ’cause what the science shows very clearly, when you’re keying into a computer or smartphone you’re using eight to 10 connections of the brain, when you’re handwriting, the signal’s coming from your brain, down your arm, out the end into a pen. There are over 2,000 connections being operated when you’re handwriting. So you’re emotionally involved in what you’re handwriting. You’re gonna put it on your computer and your smartphone as well, but your initial data input needs to be handwriting. And she wrote on her list, ballroom dancing. And I said to her, what’s that one about, Doris? She said, oh, ever since I was a kid I wanted to do ballroom dancing and I didn’t because life got in the way. I had kids and a job and grandkids. And I said, when did you think about that? And she said, oh, I was about six or seven. In her era, everybody wanted to be a ballroom dancer. She wrote it on her list and the next day we came in and she crossed it off her list. We said, well, what happened to it? She said, well I looked at it, she said, I realized I don’t want to do that now. It had just been going around in my head for 65 years. And she thought it still must have been important. So by handwriting you’ll take strand by strand and put it on a piece of paper. And you’ve gotta see this operate to believe it. Two or three days after you write the list, just keep adding anything you can think of, doesn’t matter what anybody else thinks, don’t show dream stealers, it’s your own personal list, every possible thing that you never did but you thought, gee, wouldn’t it be great to do that, have that, be that, go there, write it on the list. After two or three days, if it’s really significant and important to you right now in your life, Roxy, it’ll start to turn bold, it starts jumping off the page. And other things, like ballroom dancing for Doris, she really didn’t want to do that, just it had been in her head for so long she thought she wanted to do it.

Roxanne – Mmm.

Allan – And so she crossed it off. So you start with a list, and a list is the basis of how you achieve things. If you leave it in your head, it goes ’round and ’round and ’round, and you think about how, it’s over.

Roxanne – Yeah, and this is something that you and Barbara do quite regularly yourselves, isn’t it? When you’re always goal setting, and once you reach the pinnacle of what you want to achieve, it’s like, oh well, what’s the next thing? And off you go!

Allan – Well, we keep writing a list. Like we’re driving down the Bruce Highway in Queensland. We saw a big sign on the side of the road, bungee jumping! And here’s a guy jumping off a bridge with a rubber cable ’round his ankle, which, your parents told you never to do something like that! We looked at that and I remember saying, wow, look at that! That frightened the hell out of me doing that, so I thought, that’s gotta go on my list to do that. Because it scares me, I wanna do it! It took seven years until I did it but we did it! And so anything that you see, think, feel, experience, that you haven’t done or you think, wow, wouldn’t that be good? You write it on your list. And only share it with people who’ve either done it or know about it or who you trust. Because the hardest part is you start telling people, the emotional vampires, and they’ll tell you, come on, have another doughnut, Roxy, don’t worry about that, that’s a stupid idea, walking up Mount Kilimanjaro? Now Barbara and I, between us, we’ve done 168 things as of this week. We’ve done them and we achieved them, and some we were great at, and some we were average, some we’re not very good at all and we quit, like tap dancing for me, I thought I’d be a great dancer and I did that three and a half months and I wasn’t very good, I didn’t like it that much, and so I got a line through it, I got rid of it. Otherwise, I might have been 73 like Doris saying, oh, you know, if only I had of been a tap dancer. Because we know that when people are on their deathbed in places where they go to die, and they know they’re gonna die, the number one thing people talk about is the things that they should have done and didn’t do. Now, the point is, when I go to my deathbed, I’m not gonna get up on my elbow and say I should have learned sail, play golf and tap dance. Because I did all those and I didn’t like them and I wasn’t much good so I put a line through them. And golf, my friend said come and play golf with us, we’re gonna be fantastic! So I went and played golf and I hit the ball around and I wasn’t any good at it and I figured out why they called it golf. ‘Cause all the other four letter words were taken. And my mates are saying, oh, we play golf because it’s relaxing! I never saw anybody relaxed, they’re uptight the whole time! But I did it and I crossed it off and I don’t want to do it again and I won’t sit on my deathbed saying I should have played golf. That’s the thing about having a long list. The more things on the list, the better. Most people don’t have a list and if they do they might have one goal, two goals, and sometimes they have one goal and they chase it and they get halfway through it and they say, oh, I don’t like this. Like golf or tap dancing. But they stick with it because they probably heard, you’ve made your bed and you’ll lie in it! And that’s the only goal they’ve got. So they stick with jobs, partners and places that they don’t like! Now, we’re living in total era of freedom, you don’t have to be in places or with people or do things you don’t like. Write a list of what you do want and chase that list and you watch what happens. Don’t think about how you’ll do any of it. This is the secret, think about what you’ll do and just watch and wait and the how will jump in front of you. It’s like whatever car you drive. Talking to a guy this morning. He said he’s got one of these new Prados, Toyotas, he’s had it six months. I said, how do you like it? He said, oh, it’s great. I said, the minute you bought that car, every second driver on the road had a Prado. He said, yeah, I pull up at the lights, there’s one there, there’s one parked over there, turn the TV on, I see them on TV, open the newspaper, there’s Prados for sale, I open my email and there’s a special deal on Prados. He said, suddenly everybody’s got a Prado! Well, no, everybody doesn’t have a Prado. The moment you decide what, not how, what, your brain, your RAS, will search for the how and you’ll see it everywhere. We had another woman come to one of our weekends, this is a cracker, and she would have been in her early thirties and she’d just found out the day before, she was pregnant, first time, very excited. And she arrived here on the Sunshine Coast where I am and she went to the local Sunshine Coast Plaza to do some shopping. And then she came to our weekend seminar and she said, I can’t believe how many pregnant women there are on the Sunshine Coast! I’ve just been to the Plaza, every second woman there is pregnant! And they’re pushing children in prams. Now, the question is are there more pregnant women before she got here than after? No!

Roxanne – Yeah!

Allan – The minute she heard the what, which is you are pregnant, the RAS only saw pregnant women. And if she had a Prado, she’d only see a Prado. And that’s how this works. You don’t decide how I’m gonna get a Prado or how I’m gonna get pregnant, you decide what you will do and then you will see how. And this is really simple, it’s not easy, it’s simple. When I say it’s not easy, saying it’s simple, but when you decide only the what, you’re taking a leap of faith because you don’t know how. Because if you did know how, Roxy, you would have already done it.

Roxanne – Yeah, the word surrender keeps coming up in my mind as you’re talking, like, you really just have to trust then and believe, don’t you?

Allan – Well, you’ve got a GPS, right?

Roxanne – Yes, I do.

Allan – On your phone, in your car, probably. So if you’re gonna drive from here on the Sunshine Coast to Brisbane, you don’t have to know every road between here and Brisbane, all you’ve gotta know is the exact address you want to go to. In fact, you don’t have to be an expert on GPS to know how that works either. All you’ve gotta do is know the exact address. So when you punch the address in in Brisbane you’ll drive off 100% faithful in your heart that it will you within meters of that building. And that’s what you’ve got to do with your own brain. Decide what you want, exact address, and it will drive you to that location, good or bad, and most people put in their mind what they don’t want. You know, I don’t want to lose my job, I don’t want to lose my partner, I don’t want to get sick, I don’t want the bank to take my house away, and that’s all their RAS, we call it, sees! And that’s what they get.

Roxanne – Mmm, absolutely.

Allan – You said manifestation before. That’s one way of saying it but over the centuries it’s been called all sorts of things from the yin and the yang, and the universe was the big thing for a while, like, talk to the universe, next I get my answer! People who are religious say, I pray to my God and God gives me the answer! We found with brain scans, it’s exactly the same part of the brain you’re using doing any of those things. The latest manifestation is the Law of Attraction! It’s exactly the same part of the brain, it’s just right back here, that operates when you’re doing any of those things. And what you’re doing is asking for the what and the what will appear and it’ll show you the how. Don’t think of the how. You think of the how, it’s over.

Roxanne – Absolutely. I’m a how person so I really need to work on that. I think I once was described as being stuck in the reeds, I was like, oh, I am.

Allan – We’re a how society, Roxy. Everybody thinks, oh yeah but how would I do that? If you start with how, your brain searches your own databanks in the brain, and you don’t know how. You start with what, your brain searches externally, and it sees how.

Roxanne – Yeah.

Allan – And it’s a leap of faith just like your GPS. It’s a habit, thinking how, and we all do that because we don’t know how. And that’s why I was saying this is simple but it’s not easy. It’s a complete mind shift to thinking about what you will do. That I will become a chief executive, I’ll become a holder of my own business, I’ll become a mother of three children, father of six kids. I’ll become a perfectly healthy person who lives to be 100. I didn’t finish telling you about that day. So you decide the what. Now, once you’ve decided the what you’ll see the how and the how is how you make your plan. But no plan will do anything until you’ve got a deadline on it. Deadline is a trigger on the gun. So if you’ve got your what, your goal, and you’ve got your plan which comes from the how, so you’ve seen the hows, it’s all just a dream until you put a deadline on it. When you put a deadline on, that’s like pulling the trigger, and it forces you, you and your body, to drive forward. So I decided with the cancer diagnosis, they said look you might go three years now, they didn’t think I’d make 50, it was looking pretty bad, and I decided that wasn’t good enough. I wanted to live to be much older than that. At least to be 60, 65, I’m 68 now. And I thought about this over a long period of time, and I thought, lots of people know about goals and setting goals and deadlines and they do it, certainly at work you do it, or your boss does it for you. And I thought, nobody really thinks about how long they’re happy to live in good condition. Now, I came to a very simple conclusion and I know I’m dead right on this. That unless you decide on how long you’re prepared to live in perfect health, that you will die statistically at the national average. Now, the national average for guys born in my year, in 1950 is 72 for men and 78 for women. And so if a guy my age gets to 72 and he falls over dead, they go, well, he did well, didn’t he? Well no, he didn’t do well at all. ‘Cause the human body is designed to last at least 100 years and there are at least six societies in the world where the people live more than 100 years of age. And in the west, in western societies, in Europe, we kill ourselves at 70 and 76. Now, they’re saying that life expectancy’s better now. It’s now 80 for men and 85 for women. Yeah, that’s for people who are less than 10 years of age, who have just been born. But for older people, ’cause we’ve already done the damage of lack of exercise, or poor diet, eating western diet, or negative thinking, all those things would impact on us. So if you don’t decide how long you’re prepared to live in perfect health you’ll die at the national average and people will say well done! I say, well no, you’re supposed to live, any medic will tell you, you’re supposed to live to be 100. We kill ourselves in our seventies and eighties of heart disease, cancers, high blood pressure, etc. So I decided I’m gonna live a minimum to age 90. Minimum, I’m not gonna die at 90. I’d live a minimum, in perfect condition, that I’ll be able to get out and do, I’ve just enrolled in my scuba course, I’ve started my deep water scuba diving course, I’m learning to speak Russian, I’ve joined a basketball team, so. When I turned 65 they said, come on now, we’re gonna start playing lawn bowls, all the guys. And I had a look at that and said no, I’m gonna join a rock and roll band and play Led Zeppelin and Rolling Stones, so now I’m lead guitarist for a rock band!

Roxanne – Oh, that’s awesome.

Allan – We play once a week, I play heavy metal. I’m going deaf but who cares, you know? I love it, I absolutely love it. And I play piano and I play drums and I play bass and I play harmonica and I play all the keyboards, I play all of that and someone said, how do you do all that? Well, you just decide! Guy said to me last week, he said, I would’ve loved to have played the piano, Allan. I said, yeah? He said, well, I can’t now. I thought he’s gonna have bad arthritis in his hands or something. He said, I’m 45.

Roxanne – Oh geez.

Allan – I said, hell, I didn’t start piano until I was 55! I didn’t start drums until I was 60. I didn’t decide until I was 50 that I was gonna be the lead guitarist in a rock band when I was 65. I said at 65 I’m joining a rock band! At 65, I joined a rock band and play every week and I tell you what, I’m damn good and I love it! Better than lawn bowls, certainly, for me. And I decided to live to 90, so. I decided I had to live in perfect condition until the 15th of August 2040 A.D. at 4pm! Gotta be really clear on this. And you write it on a piece of paper, you stick it on the fridge, you stick it everywhere. That’s what you do with it, with the deadline and the goal. But what happens often is it falls off the fridge or someone sweeps the floor and suddenly you can’t see it anymore and so it’s out of sight, out of mind. And so I don’t recommend this, what I’m gonna say now, to anybody but I did it myself. I decided to get that date tattooed on my right cheek on my rear end and it’s positioned in such a way that every day I get in the shower, like I did this morning, I see it in the mirror and it tells me today how I’m gonna eat, how I’m gonna drink, what I’m gonna think, it is a constant– Now, sometimes I don’t consciously see it but my mind sees it and it keeps me on track of living the way I’m living. And so, someone says on the 15th of August 2040 at four o’clock, you’re gonna drop dead? No, I’m gonna be in good health ’til then, perfect health, then I’ll regroup and make a decision what to do next. So I’m the only guy you have ever met, Roxy, that’s got a use-by date tattooed on his bum.

Roxanne – You totally are!

Allan – But it works, I mean, as time’s gone on it’s getting harder to read the date, I mean, it seems to sag a bit there, but.

Roxanne – Oh no!

Allan – Someone said to me recently, they said, what if you’re wrong? I said, well then I’ll be dead. If I’m wrong I’ll be dead but I won’t know, doesn’t matter. But meanwhile, every day is terrific! Every day is great.

Roxanne – Absolutely!

Allan – Things I want, I go and do it. That’s why, someone said, are you gonna retire? I said, do what? Do what? What would you do if you retired? I don’t know what I’d do, I don’t know. Probably lay down and be a statistic and die at 72, that’s not a good option.

Roxanne – Absolutely, and we’re talking about the whole setting– I don’t know how to follow up from a butt tattoo, I’m sorry. So we’re talking a lot about goal setting and the importance of giving yourself space to think about the things you want to achieve. Now, I wanted to talk about what your advice would be when people are already, perhaps, down in the dumps and I know you and Barbara have actually been there before. You know, at one stage, we’re talking years ago now but you were dealing with your first cancer diagnosis and losing millions of dollars and all sorts of things overnight and then trying to cope with all of that. But the two of you actually did regroup and spend some time and plan out your goals and, I mean, you’ve come back with gusto and then some. So what advice would you give to people who are perhaps down in the pits and are looking for a way to clear their mind enough to look for the blue sky?

Allan – I know that when we run our weekends here in Queensland, a lot of people are coming from that situation. They’re normally at a crossroads and they don’t know where to go or what to do next and it’s a pretty common thing. In Barbara and my case, we lost everything. We were incredibly successful, traveled the world at the front of the plane, and lived on the water and had a horse. Everything possible thing you can imagine. We both come from housing commissions, so for us to come from a base like that was pretty amazing for us, you know. We never any silver spoons or anything. And by making poor judgment, mostly on my part, we lost it all, we lost everything. We got robbed by an accounting firm. We lost the whole lot, finish up with– I was gonna say with nothing, make it less than nothing. We still owed three and a half million dollars to the Tax Office which is not a good place to owe it because if you don’t pay them they’ll put you in jail. If you’re director of a company. So that was pretty tough times. And then I got diagnosed a year after that with cancer. Brought on by the stress of that whole situation. Nobody knew about it, you know. Bab and I still on television doing the midday shows and the morning shows with complete enthusiasm while we’re fighting this, trying to solve this situation. And we’d lost everything. And now, there are people watching this show now who are probably in a similar situation and they’ve lost everything or had some tragedy that’s happened that put you right on your back. Now, if you get knocked down, doesn’t mean you’re out of the game, you’re only down if you stay there. You gotta make a decision, whatever happens, that you will make a comeback. Now, if you lose everything, which we did, you can do one of two things, really. It’s a pretty simple choice. You either lay down and die or you decide to come back. So we made the decision, we would come back, bigger and better than ever before. And I can remember people, back when we announced this to some friends, they said, how you gonna do that? We said, we don’t know! But this is what we’re gonna do. Yeah, but, what will you do? We don’t know! We’re gonna come back and be huge in whatever we do. You have to make a decision. That’s what you’ll do. Now if you start with, how will I do it? It’s not gonna happen, it’s too difficult. You start with what you’re gonna do. So, anybody who’s got any problem with anything, whatever’s happened to you, if you’re down in the dumps right now, which is a pretty common experience, it’s because you’re thinking about what you don’t want. I don’t want to get sick, I don’t want my partner to run off, I don’t want to be on my own, I don’t want to lose my home, my business. People think about what they don’t want. So this is simple, what I’m gonna say now, but, again, it’s not easy. You make a decision that you will only think, from right now, about what you do want, what you can do, what you will become. Now that’s really simple, Roxy, but it’s not always easy because, as you mentioned before, we’re living in a society that says, yeah, but how? We’re living in a society that they think about what they don’t want. And we do that for protection. We think about what we don’t want so we don’t want things to happen. What we think about is what we get, inevitably! But a leap of faith is, just decide you will make a comeback from right now and that you’ll only think about what you do want. And so, remember after almost three years, we didn’t go back but we paid all our debts back in the end. Three years into it, Barbara said to me one morning, she said, you are depressed! She said, I’ve had a guff full of you, boy. You’re depressed, negative all the time. I said, that’s impossible, I’m a motivational speaker! Couldn’t possibly be depressed. So she says, I’m gonna take you to the doctor and he’ll prove it. So they take me down the doctor, do the test, and guess what? I’m depressed. I couldn’t believe it, myself. So I made a decision to become undepressed. Now depression is a real thing that affects a lot of people, particularly the plus 40s, and if you’re plus 40 and financially in trouble, you’re in the highest risk category. Especially for men and an increasing number of women now. Suicide rates go up dramatically in that period for people that have especially financial or personal tragedies in their life. And so I decided to become undepressed. Now, this is an interesting move. Depression is a real thing, it’s a chemical imbalance in your brain. I knew that because I spent a lot of time studying what it was about once they told me I was it. It’s a chemical change and they’ll give you all sorts of medications to try to balance that up. The problem is once you get on those, lots of people, as everybody knows, don’t get off them. They stay on these things and they become, a bit like Ritalin for adults, you know, you spend your life in a dazed whirl. But, you know what causes most depression? What cause the chemical change is thinking about what you don’t want! And I’d been thinking for three years about what I’d done wrong. I’d lost all this money, made poor choices, and everything we had that was now gone and we’re back to zero which wasn’t a new experience because we started with zero anyway.

Roxanne – Yeah, of course, yeah.

Allan – But we knew what that was like. But I went from hero to zero in my little company village where I come from in Victoria, as you can imagine. Went from local-boy-made-good big time to absolute disaster. And I made a decision on a Tuesday that by Friday of the next week at four o’clock I would be an undepressed person. Now this is an interesting move. Depression, yes, it’s a chemical imbalance but for most of it, maybe 80% plus, the chemical change has been created because you’re thinking constantly about what you don’t want, what you’ve lost, what’s gone wrong, and it becomes a habit thinking of this which keeps you depressed. And that’s what I’d been doing, there’s no doubt about it. I just decided, four o’clock, that next Friday I’d be undepressed. Now, I needed to have at least 10 days just to get used to the idea of being undepressed ’cause I’d been depressed for so many years. So four o’clock, Friday, I said about okay, I’m back! I said, okay, what can we do? And I decided from that four o’clock point that we would never ever again discuss what had happened in the past. We never told anybody about it, especially family members, because they might have said, oh, if had of stayed in the village you might’ve been the boss at the mill by now, Allan!

Roxanne – Yeah.

Allan – We decided never to think about it. For 12 years we never ever brought up a word about it, never discussed it, never thought about what had happened. We called off all the legal cases we had going against lawyers and accountants and other people who’d been part of it. We called them all and just said keep it all, don’t ring us back. Said to the lawyers, send us a bill, it’s all over, no more discussion. And we never talked about it again. We only talked about what we could do and within five years we were the biggest selling authors in world, we traveled the world, we lived in three countries, and everything we decided that we wanted to do is what happened. Now, people were saying, how you gonna do that? We don’t know. This is the point, you don’t know. When you decide, you don’t, you don’t have to know. No, it’s none of your business, in fact! If you decide the what, I’m gonna do this, have this, become this, full stop, end of story, no more discussion, that’s what will happen! But that’s how strong you’ve gotta be because people will try to stop you. Some with good intentions and some not with good intentions.

Roxanne – Absolutely. My goodness.

Allan – I’m fantastic here.

Roxanne – Sorry?

Allan – Endorphins! Endorphins are flooding my system. So is this herbal tea.

Roxanne – Oh great! So of course The Answer is already out there now. People have the access to The Answer, they just need to go and grab a copy and have a read. But you have mentioned a couple of times your VIP weekend sets that you do, and I’d love for you to share a bit more about what that is for people who are watching.

Allan – We started this about two years ago. It’s an interesting concept that I’d resisted. I resisted the idea for a long time but Barbara thought this is a great way of making a good impact and she doesn’t have to send me to Russia. I spend three to four months of the year in Russian speaking countries, that’s our big market. And so, what we did, we invited 25 to 30 people, maximum 30 people, to here, at our home. Now we live in 65 acres on the side of a rainforest looking over the coast and we’ve got a conference room and we have two big rock and roll studios. The music business got bigger and bigger than I originally thought.

Roxanne – I’m sure those studios are getting a good work out these days.

Allan – Oh, I love them, I get to play music with all the people I used to listen to when I was a young guy, it’s really great. So a maximum of 30 people come for a weekend and we spend the weekend talking about the things we’re talking about here. How to get out of your head onto paper the things that you think you wanna do. Now, when I say think, a lot of people don’t really know what they wanna do. If you do know the things that you wanna do, that’s a plus, but a lot of people don’t know how to work it out. So we give a system of how to do it and through the weekend progressively we show them how to put those things into the RAS, the part that searches the internet, we show them how to stop thinking about how, and think only about the what, so it’s a what weekend. Now, we’re not talking about how you’re gonna do any of this, only what. And we started this two years ago and the results have been staggering from people. The most unlikely people were getting results. We had a couple that came to our last one and they were bankrupt, they’ve been bankrupt for three years, lost their business, lost their home, living in a rented house, and they said, oh, one of our goals is we’d really love to go and live in France and have a hotel Airbnb business but we don’t know how because we’re still paying back part of the debts from the past. What they in fact had been doing for three years since they went down the financial plughole was they’d been thinking about what they didn’t want and so we showed them how to think about what they did want and as of two months ago they’re living in France, they’ve got an Airbnb business that they’ve started and they said they’re like pigs in mud over there. Now, at the time, nobody said how. Except them, they said, we don’t know how. I said, forget how, just decide this is what you will do, full stop! But this is how clear you’ve gotta be on this, Roxy. If you go, oh, I think I might like to have a house and I might like to go to France, it’s not gonna happen. This is what I will do, full stop. And if people want to talk you out of it, don’t tell them anymore.

Roxanne – Yeah.

Allan – Or agree with their right to an opinion, but restate what you will do. So they’re over there doing that now. We got another note from someone the other day who’s up in Townsville, north of the country. They’ve got this whole list of goals! These are only intimated like he wanted to get a boat license and a jet ski license, he wanted to fly an aeroplane, he wanted to jump on a– He’d done all these things! He couldn’t believe it, he’s never done any, they’ve been in his head for years. Now, they might be small things sometimes, sometimes they’re really big things, and for Barbara and I, they’re a combination of everything. We are great on a world scale at some things. Medium on some, and some of them, like Barbara’s never gonna play the piano again. She thought she’d be great at that and she chucked away at it but just didn’t fit. And the thing is about goal, you don’t know until you’re halfway through a lot of goals whether you’re even gonna like them. That’s the reality, you don’t know. And long as you got lots on your list, if you get halfway through and decide, I don’t like this, you put a line through it. As long as you keep adding to your list, it doesn’t matter. You won’t be up on one elbow when you’re dying saying, you know I should have learned to sky dive.

Roxanne – Yeah, absolutely.

Allan – Oh, the weekends! So the weekends are about how to do all that and it’s a time for people to have one on one face to face with us and they live here on the Sunshine Coast with us and they come from everywhere, and part of the rules are for the weekend is that nobody talks about how, and anything discussed on the weekend stays within our conference center, so we give people the freedom to talk about anything they want in a non-judgemental environment and then we show them the system of getting what they want and it’s, for me, it’s different because I’ve never really done that. Barbara, she loves it and she’s great at it. But the results we get from people are spectacular.

Roxanne – Yeah, and tell me about, you know, you’ve mentioned already a lady in her seventies but are you seeing younger people taking the bull by the horns, so to speak, and coming along as well?

Allan – Well, we thought that the people that would come would be maybe in their 30s-ish and they’re working out whatever they’re gonna be when they grow up. Now, 30 to 40 year olds would be half of who comes, but we get a lot of older people as well, fifties, sixties and seventies, who are looking for a direction. They’re at a crossroad in their life and they’re looking for what they’re gonna do when they grow up. We’ve also had people as young as 14 and 15 and they come with their father or mother or both and we had two kids who turned 21 and for their 21st birthday present they gave them a weekend up here with us. I mean, if you’re a young person, a teenager or early-twenties and you get to come be at this sort of thing, it’s gotta be fantastic ’cause most people don’t realize until they’re about 40 that they need to do something with themselves. So we get a range of everything from kids right up to people who are at the other end of life and with The Answer, the book, it was interesting who our readership was for that. We figured that would be probably most people. But we discovered an interest in last market for 10 to 14 year olds.

Roxanne – Wow!

Allan – Yeah, because 10 to 14 year olds, and I discovered this with our own grandkids, two of them were reading it and they were changing their lives and doing stuff, we couldn’t believe it. And the reason why is that between 10 and 14, they don’t know you can’t do something.

Roxanne – That’s true.

Allan – They read it and they just say, oh, this is what you do. Whereas you tell it to a 40 year old, they go, oh, yeah, but I tried that or, a friend of mine did that and it didn’t work out. 10 to older, they don’t know, just say this is how it works and they go and do it ’cause they have full belief and they don’t know that it can’t be done.

Roxanne – Yeah, absolutely. Really makes a big difference, doesn’t it? When you get in early, it’s amazing.

Allan – Well, it’s right back to the hidden injection versus the open injection. People know they’re gonna get pain relief and they get better pain relief.

Roxanne – Absolutely, oh that’s incredible. And what’s the best way for people to find out when the next upcoming weekend with you guys is?

Allan – Well, we did three last year. We’re doing maybe two, possibly three, this year. One in March, one in August, one in November 2019. They can go on our website which is Pease, that’s my name, pease.tv and you’ll see all the dates, times and places, everything you need to know. But they’re a great weekend. They’re a life-changing weekend for people that come. They’re fairly life-changing for Barbara and I too ’cause we are involved at a very deep base intimate level with people.

Roxanne – I imagine it would be very fulfilling.

Allan – Yeah, it’s great, we love it. It saves lives, we know we’ve saved lives. People who mightn’t be around who didn’t come.

Roxanne – That’s incredible! And is it a case of people need to get in early? I’d imagine you would be selling out most of these weekends, would you?

Allan – Well, most of the weekends are done either by Facebook, social media or word of mouth, and we’ll do two or three a year, so best thing is just jump on pease.tv and have a look at the site and talk to Vicky or Cath in the office and they’ll tell you what’s what and when it is.

Roxanne – Excellent, that’s great! Well, thank you so so much for your time, Allan. I do appreciate that.

Allan – My pleasure!

Roxanne – And I know what you’ve shared today will really have some gems of wisdom for people watching at home, so I do appreciate you taking the time to share those today!

Allan – My pleasure, look, the main bottom line of the whole thing is you decide what, you decide what you’ll do, have and become. And you gotta quit the how. If you start with the how, it’s not gonna happen. Start with the what.

Roxanne – All right, I don’t think we can add much more to that. That’s pretty powerful to leave it. So thank you again and thank you also to those of you who are watching at home. We will continue to bring you interviews with more high profile Australians for the rest of the second season. So thanks for continuing to join us! If you’d like to Like and Subscribe, that means that you won’t be missing out on any wonderful people like Allan yet to come. So thank you and enjoy the rest of your day. Allan, thank you.

Allan – See you, Roxy!